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Philmont 2017 Interest Survey - due Nov 14, 2015

posted Oct 31, 2015, 11:53 AM by Robert Brese

Crew and Potential Crew Members,

Yes, it's a long way away, however, it is time to put in our reservation request for Philmont 2017. Philmont ( is the premier BSA high adventure base (even if I personally prefer Northern Tier!) and participating in a 12-day backpacking adventure is a life-changing experience. My boys and I have 6 Philmont treks between us and every one was special.

If you are interested, NO LATER THAN SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 2015, fill out the SurveyMonkey survey at: Based upon interest, I will submit our reservation request with Philmont.

DO NOT SEND MONEY! If we are awarded one or more treks, we will have a second call for participants in December and fill slots, by lottery, if necessary. First payments will be due in mid-January 2016.

Who Can Participate: 2017 Philmont participants must be 14 years of age (by date of arrival) OR completed the 8th grade and be at least 13 years of age by date of participation. Recommendation: While it is difficult to predict youth height/weight 20 months in advance, youth who might be expected to be under 5 feet tall and 100 lbs should consider waiting an additional year to participate.

Physical Requirements: Each participant must be able to carry a 35 (minimum) to 50+ pound pack while hiking 5 to 12 miles per day in an isolated mountain wilderness ranging from 6,500 to 12,500 feet in elevation (most days over 8,000 feet). Climatic conditions include temperatures from 30 to 90 degrees, low humidity (10-30 percent), and frequent, sometimes severe afternoon thunderstorms. Activities include horseback riding, rock climbing and rappelling, challenge events, pole climbing, black powder shooting, 12-gauge trap shooting, .30-06 shooting, trail building, mountain biking, and other activities that have potential for injury. There are strict maximum weight limits (by height) that will not be waived.

Crew Size: 12 members consisting or 9-10 youth and 2-3 adults. No more than 3 adults will be placed on a crew unless there are no youth to fill crew vacancies. All crews must have a minimum of 2 registered and trained adults. Full crews are preferred, however, we will consider crews of 10 or more.

Philmont Meals: The 2015 Philmont trail menu can be found at: If crews or crew members are allergic to some food products, require a special diet, or have specific religious food needs, suitable food substitutions must be purchased at home and brought or shipped to Philmont. Participants require a minimum of about 3,000 calories per day. We have managed this on past crews, but recognize this is an expense that must be borne by the requiring participant(s) and can cost several hundred dollars, particularly if the entire crew must be on a special diet to accommodate one or a few individuals.

Adult Training: First Aid, CPR, Wilderness First Aid and be a registered Venturing Leader, with Introduction to Outdoor Leadership Skills (Back Country Outdoor Leadership Skills preferred), Youth Protection, Trek Safely, and Weather Hazards. There are strict height and weight limits that will not be waived.

Cost: Total $1,500-1,700 per person: $750 Philmont Fee, $450-650 airfare, $300+/- other expenses. The cost of personal equipment such as boots ($125-200), backpack ($250-300) and other clothing and gear is extra.

Training Commitment:  Youth and adult participation in Philmont requires a commitment to a rigorous individual and crew training regimen. This is not optional as a Philmont Crew must operate as a cohesive, mentally and physically trained unit to succeed. Expect to participate in a minimum of three weekend backpacking trips of 1-2 nights each and 2-3 day hikes (with backpacks), and a final day hike or overnight trek of 10-15 miles.

I look forward to seeing the responses! We have sent nearly 200 youth and adults to Philmont over the past 15 years and everyone comes back having had an amazing time!

Mr. Brese

Advisor, Crew 1346